Mixed up modified proportional election reform

2007/10/05

Permalink 05:54:18 pm, by thepessimist Email , 626 words, 353 views   English (CA)
Categories: Politics

Mixed up modified proportional election reform

On Wednesday, Ontario goes to the polls and in addition to voting for our MPP, we'll also be voting in a referendum on election reform.

This is fairly novel -- unlike Quebec, we haven't seen a referendum question in 84 years. The question, however, hasn't received the attention it deserves, what with all the confusion caused by John Tory shooting his party's chances in the foot over the funding of religious schools. After his recent flip-flop on what he called "a matter of principle", it is no longer clear who the biggest promise-breaker is. But I digress.

The question before the voters is "should we replace the current 'first past the post' (FPP) system with a 'mixed member proportional' (MMP) system. The details on exactly what that new system will be is not, obviously, on the ballot but is something we need to read about before hand. There have been a number of flyers slipped under my door giving some sketchy out-line of how the new system works, and how it is an improvement on the existing system.

I was inclined to vote in favour of the new system, until I recently found out more.

Per the flyers:

  1. FPP tends to exaggerate the power of the winning party. The winner of the seat is the one with the most votes, but because of multiple parties running the winner seldom achieves an actual majority.
  2. small parties almost never win a seat, though if they run in most ridings they often receive a not insignificant share of the popular vote.

In the last election, the results were like this:

Last election - First Past the Post


VoteSeats
Liberal
47%
72
70%
Conservative
37%
24
24%
NDP
14%
7
7%
Green
3%
0
0%
100%
103
100%

Note the obvious problems. The Liberals get way more seats than their share of the popular vote; the PCs and NDP less; and the Green none.

The suggested fix is to decrease the number of ridings to 91 (by making them geographically bigger). And to add 39 'List' seats. These list seats would be proportional to the popular vote. Each voter would get two votes: one for their riding candidate, and one for a provincial party.

This sounded like fun. It would allow for strategic voting:
- you could vote for your candidate if you liked him, but for a different party to send your party a message.
- you could vote against your candidate because you don't like him, but still vote for your party provincially.
I was for it. I thought it would work like this (assuming the same popular vote):

How I thought it would work


RidingListTotal
Liberal
64
18
82
64%
Conservative
21
14
35
27%
NDP
6
5
11
9%
Green
0
1
1
1%
91
38
129
100%

This would soften the worst attributes of FFP. The minor parties would have more representation. But this, unfortunately is not how the new system would work.

The new system as proposed would actually use the list candidates to balance the total seats to the popular vote. Sounds ok? Well using the same popular vote as above this is how the results would work:

How it is actually proposed to work


RidingListTotal
Liberal
64
0
64
50%
Conservative
21
22
43
33%
NDP
6
12
18
14%
Green
0
4
4
3%
91
38
129
100%

This is not something I want to vote for. The reasoning behind the allocation of the list seats is the following: The winner has 47% of the popular vote and 64 riding seats. 64 seats is already 50% of the total seats available, so they get no list seats. The result has the following unappetizing outcome:

  1. The winner gets only riding seats. The opposition gets all of the list seats.
  2. Minority government is virtually guaranteed.
  3. The opposition gets a huge portion of their representation in list seats rather than riding seats. This makes most of them unaccountable directly to the people.
  4. And the new system increases the size of government by 25%. More members; more cost; more chaos.

Back to the drawing board Citizen's Committee. I won't vote for this.

Comments, Pingbacks:

Comment from: crabby [Member] Email
I too am mixed in my views. Last week I was "for" - mid week I was set against, lately I'm getting suspicious - when it gets too easy to flip my decisions, I probably don't know what I'm talking about.

A VERY corny presentation of alternative systems is on the assembly's old website. The content is good though they don't explain why they did not choose any of them.... For that you can read ALL of their meeting minutes... sure.

www.citizensassembly
PermalinkPermalink 2007/10/06 @ 11:24
Comment from: thepessimist [Member] Email
Is it better than the system we have now? I'm coming down on the 'no' side.

There will never again be another majority government, unless we legislate a two-party system. And that seems to be the opposite of the intent of changing the existing system -- that minor parties receive some respresentation.

The Citizens Committee has managed to come up with a voting method that achieves anarchy and bigger government, simultaneously. That's quite an accomplishment.

PermalinkPermalink 2007/10/08 @ 00:28
Comment from: Spin [Member] Email
Yes, MMP will decrease the likelihood of a majority government ever being elected again, but I see that as a positive thing. If MMP had been in place when Mike Harris was leader of the Tories, his party would have had to govern in coalition with other parties--only 44.8% of the population voted for the Harrisites, after all. This would have saved us all from the effects of their most blindly ideological positions. By ensuring that the government actually represents the majority of the population, MMP acts as a brake on extremism, right and left.

As for list members being less accountable than riding members... Well, exactly how do you hold riding members to account for their actions? You talk to them. If you don't like the answer you get, you talk to their party. If you don't like the answer you get there, you vote for someone else next time. It's the same with list members.

Finally, increasing the size of the legislature by 25% will not add appreciably to the cost of running the province. MP salaries and benefits pale in comparison with the cost of building and maintaining roads, for example, or staffing hospitals.
PermalinkPermalink 2007/10/08 @ 21:20
Comment from: thepessimist [Member] Email
Thanks for the comments, Spin.
While I agree with you that Harris was a disaster for Ontario -- particularly for the poor -- I don't think that constitutes extremism. Giving him back-to-back majorities was inexcusable (just like giving Bush a second term). FPP mechanics may be partly responsible, but more to blame is slick marketing and a gullible public. At least the system is self correcting, over time.

I don't think coalition goverments are the panacea you believe it would be. In Israel it has led to religious apartheid and unproductive bickering. In Italy it means a new government every year.
It may work reasonably well in the Netherlands, but that is a (geographically) small country.

The cost of larger government is not just the MPPs salary. To start with, there are parliamentary assistants, office and travel allowances, and generous pension benefits. But in addition to that would be the special interest bribes that would be required to keep the coalition together (I'll vote for your spending proposal if you vote for mine).

The system we have could be improved, but I don't believe the suggestion before us is an improvement.
PermalinkPermalink 2007/10/10 @ 17:22

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